report : BM Hunter: Pet damage

status changed from new report to report confirmed

There si an error sir, the exact formula is one that you can read here: http://wowgoldtown.com/news/Mists-of-Pandaria---Build-15961---Spell-Changes,-Latest-Additions-and-More.html (use ctrl+f and search claw or bite if u dont see the spell)

as you can read the formula is : 1.5 * (118 + 166 / 2 + RAP * 0.168))) damage (without mastery obviuosly), now the first 1.5 in the formula the 1.5 is not due to Combat Experience. The formula is this regardless of the specialization of the pet.

If you choose ferocity now u have this 2 other passive: Combat Experience and Spiked Collar

the 1.5 of Combat Experience is to multiply now, not before.

""""50% bonus got applied twice? (26725*1.5= 40088)""" nope

you made a mistake in the formula, I hope my comment clarifies, have a nice day

Hunter pet got 50% bonus in EVERY spec, that's why they have put it in the formula, just like *1 which is mastery, only increased in BM spec
Else the formula would be (118 + 166 / 2 + RAP * 0.168)
Blizzard puts every element in the formula which is always there (Combat Experience, mastery (*1 or more)), same with Kill Command.

mhmmm, i tamed a pet now, without any spec and claw say this : 17036 (http://imgur.com/TmoI6wZ)

now my pet with ferocity , claw say this: 17057 (http://imgur.com/VAJFw4j)

it's the same no? the formula is automatic, how is it possible?

check and control with safety the formula without any spec, i think the 1,5 is however inside :/

Sorry here are the screen

1) without spec http://imgur.com/TmoI6wZ
2) ferocity http://imgur.com/VAJFw4j

If you would be right, kill command would need a 50% buff..
Don't trust tooltips anyway, they are wrong most of the time.

Tested it, I tamed a pet and he had no spec.. He SHOULD have a spec, atleast on retail.
If you tame a pet on retail, it has a basic spec which u can change later. http://www.wowhead.com/pets
As you can see on the link, every pet has a starter spec, even at level 1.
It is impossible to have a pet without a spec on retail, that's why the 50% is in the formula.

No spec: 40k
With spec: 60k (went cunning)

thanks for the informations sir :)

71428 RAP
46.03% mastery


Claw: ((combat experience*(118+166/2+RAP*0.168)))*mastery

Unbuffed below 50 energy
=> ((1.5*(118+166/2+RAP*0.168)))*mastery
=> ((1.5*(118+166/2+71428*0.168)))*1.4603= 26725 (40100 ingame)
=> 50% bonus got applied twice (26725*1.5= 40088)

Claw and Bite do 50% too much damage

Devilsaur does as much Kill Command damage and Bite damage as other pets (all these tests are in PvE)

Check those fomulas in the cross-realm so we make sure it's the same there.

EHI SENYHA I TEST IT IN LIVE SERVER IN PVP

MY HUNTER:

RAP: 66338
MASTERY: 58.04%
PVP POWER: 56.34%

CLAW'S FORMULA IN PVP : ((combat experience*(118+166/2+RAP*0.168)))*mastery*1.pvp power *(1- 0.pvp resil)

Unbuffed ABOVE 50 energy
=> ((1.5*(118+166/2+RAP*0.168)))*mastery*1.pvp power *(1- 0.pvp resil)*2
=> ((1.5*(118+166/2+66338*0.168)))*1.5804*(1+56,34/100)*(1-80/100)*2= 16820
IF THW CLAW CRITS IS 16820*2=33640

I CRIT 33919 ON THIS PLAYER (DK FROST 540 IN BLOOD PRESENCE WITH DOUBLE TRINKET) --> http://imgur.com/UtkkouI

BM Hunter PvP (live realm)

59271 RAP
37.95% mastery
59.97% PvP Power
80.00% Enemy's PvP resil
31.18% Enemy's armor

Kill Command: (combat experience*(935+(RAP*0.938))*mastery

Unbuffed
=> (1.5*(935+(RAP*0.938))*1.mastery)*(1+pvp power)*(1-pvp resil)*(1-armor)
=> (1.5*(935+(59271*0.938))*1.3795)*1.5997*0.2*0.6882= 25756 (25392 ingame (live realm))

=> Kill Command seems fine to me

Bite/Claw: ((combat experience*(118+166/2+RAP*0.168)))*mastery*(1+pvp power)*(1-pvp resil)*(1-armor)

Unbuffed above 50 energy (add *2)
=> ((1.5*(118+166/2+RAP*0.168)))*mastery*2*(1+pvp power)*(1-pvp resil)*(1-armor)
=> ((1.5*(118+166/2+59271*0.168)))*1.3795*2*1.5997*0.2*0.6882= 9257 (13779 ingame (live realm))

=> Again 50% too much dmg: 9257*1.5= 13885



Possible Kill Command bugs:
- None found yet

Possible Bite/Claw bugs:
- 50% too much damage (*1.5 got applied twice instead of once)


@Enrico
You forgot armor in the formula, I didn't mention it in the formula i gave before since I tested on dummy with 0 armor.
Critical strikes can be affected by the 3% meta gem and passives like from Elemental Shaman, that's why I don't use critical strikes in my tests.

ouhmmmmm sorry idk, i use your formula directly :P

Normally there is no way BM does more damage in pvp than marksman...
that was the case a few weeks ago but now it's retarded.

status changed from report confirmed to fix need test

Assigned to Lynix

The core was multiplying the Ranged Attack Power by 0.2544 instead of 0.168, this is fixed.

Never EVER have BM hunters been OP on Official servers and yet here we are checking every hunter and treating the very few survival and marksmen hunters like the sole survivors of a Zombie apocalypse. I despise every single BM hunter on this server. It almost feels useless to play difficult specs when you can achiever beter results by pressing three buttons in an arena and win as BM hunter ^^' #endofbanter

THANKS for the fix

Island pls, i play also on official server and actually BM>MM/SURV, . it would be fair that you do not talk about things you do not know :) have a nice day

Enrico BM > MM only in wod. Not in MoP. Bm in mop was dogshit compared to mm in 5.4 and survival was better in PvE and mm better in pvp. They will be fine next monday after the update. So please don't talk of people you do not know.

Abie who are u? pls play with your warlock

i play in mop official, as bm I was the main dps of my guild, better than mm or survi. You must be able to play

You're only here because it got nerfed. Deal with it. There was a bug and now it's fixed and will be applied.

you're only here for crying because u lose vs hunter bm :)

No point in trying to deny this change enrico, yes BM is slightly more optimal than survival ( depending on encounter and 4p-t16 ) and marksman in PVE content but if the formula was incorrect on the core there is no reason to keep it incorrect, especially if it resolve some pvp issues.

And such a change should result in around 33%+ less damage from basic attack only ( not a big deal overall, it's about 40% of ~50-55% of the total dps ).

PvE BM still has other issues ( see hit chance for pets and crit% that seems to be a nightmare to get working correctly without going out of control ) that need fixing so focus on issues that need fixing.

Enrico from someone who clicks in pvp you should not talk of me losing to bm in arena cause it's rare lol you should actually worry about how ur gonna win people at 1600 cr actually

Back from ptr, looked fine to me, kill command is finally topping the pet damage chart, un fortunately since target dummies don't get hit by pet's melee i couldn't check for sure if the ratio kill command basic attack melee is around what it should but i suspect it is the case.

So far i think this can get shipped with no issues to live realms on next update pve wise, might need some checking in pvp environment ( with pvp power values to see if everything is ok there too )

Pong you are right, the pet fails all melee attacks, and the critical strike chance is non-existent, critical damage once on 20. I write a report for this, this happens for all specialization

Bite is working perfectly on the live servers. I tested it with MM (normal pet buffs) and BM (mastery buff, blink strikes).