http://www.thrillofthewild.com/2014/10/hunter-stat-conversions-for-warlords-of.html
http://www.thrillofthewild.com/2015/10/pet-stat-maths.html
Tested on BM - 61% mastery, 15% versa, 4800AP.
1st issue:
Pets have too much AP. For 4800AP hunter, pet has 3800AP. 4800*0,6=2880. WAAAY too much diffrence.
2nd issue:
Wrong basic attack and melee attack formulas:
Melee attack formula - 2*(Pet AP=0,6*Hunter's AP)/3.5. Further increased by combat exp, versa, mastery (for bm)
2*2880/3.5*1.7*1.15*1.61=5180 5180 * 0,85(pvp) * 0,97 (versa) * 0,865 (armor) = 3700 damage on me. 4880 for 3800AP, so formula on server is incorrect.
Basic attack formula - 1,5*2*(Pet AP)/3.5 = 5550 damage on me. 7300dmg for 3800AP.
Pets deal 200% of their supposed damage!!!
Forgot to post screenshot
http://imgur.com/aJigNpw
Wowhead formula www.wowhead.com/spell=17253/bite says bite damage is same as melee attack, So it prolly is just 3700 not 5550.
A script au plus vite, ya que des BM sur le serv la
170% of hunter armor
60% of hunter AP
70% of hunter Stamina
100% of hunter Haste + 10% Attack Speed
100% of hunter Crit + 10% Crit
0% of hunter increased Crit Damage
100% of hunter Multistrike
100% of hunter Versatility
125% of hunter focus regen
+70% damage from adapatation+10% spiked collar
Overall damage its close to retail and special atacks are atm buggy and doing less tham what they are suposed to do!
I'm sorrry but i cannot agree with that. What you pasted only proves my calculations. I forgot 10% dmg from spiked collar, but for melee attack it's just 3700*1.1=4070. That's not even close to 8k it does. Hunter would have to have like 10k AP, base...
As to basic, i don't see how they are bugged. You can see bite for 5.3k and for 10.6k, due to 100% more dmg for 100% more focus. 5300 is still 30% higher damage than 4070, what it should be.
Also, as i said earlier, pet not only has wrong formula for damage, but also has wrong formula for AP. It's proven not only by testing damage itself, but also on pet stats window, where for hunter's 4800AP pet has 3880AP, while should have only 2800AP. Thats 40% more it should.
will look into this try to figure out if anything is at miss
But from my experience on retail as i sayd the damage is very similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC6DytX-xbs
so your sayng pets have more tham 200% AP tham they should?
Whered did u even saw that?
I have 4.069 AP
My pet has 2.441AP
70% OF 4069 = ?! Help me out here i think i m lost now!
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70% of 4069?! 60! You're contradicting yourself!
Go ahead, test it on Grommash, where i tested. Pet AP was DEFINITELY NOT 60% of hunters AP, just read what i wrote on first post
And, where did i say that they have "more than 200% AP than then should"? I said they do 200% of their normal damage, that's 100% more - math.
I said that they have 1. wrong AP, more than 60% of hunters. AND 2. Formula for their damage is wrong. THESE TWO things COMBINED make them deal 100% more damage than they should.
Also, pasting youtube video with 710 gear, when we have 660 on server, and saying that damage matches, proves only that you're wrong.
They don't want to script hunt on this server ....
When they script a spec they up the other since 6 month and we never see it in the changelog
Ok i m sory 60%
Was thinking with the other thing applyed!
Devs will look into this report!
Will see how the maths are atm working and if anything in wrong will be fixed! Its as simple as that!
Why is the CM even comparing damage to retail. He gave you the full correct formula and calculations based on stats from a hunter on firestorm... there is no way doing 30k+ bites and 60k+ normal kill commands is legit with 660 ilvl gear..
Thing is Hayzar those maths have been alredy tested and applyed b4! (also i tested on retail as naked and same here!) Damage here was less(no joke there was 100damage dif)
And he says "Pets have too much AP. For 4800AP hunter, pet has 3800AP. 4800*0,6=2880. WAAAY too much diffrence."
Thats a lie i tested on my hunters and for example my fully 660 pvp hunter has 4.282AP
Pets from that hunter have 2.569AP
60% of 4.282= exatly 100% correct!
So i was asking where did he found those values!
http://imgur.com/a/b9I0o
3664*0,6=2198
2418 - pet's AP
Either you're trolling me, which makes you unfit for your duties, because i've spent my time to report bugs on server, to make it better, or you're simply... well... you know what i mean (won't insult you like you insult me calling me a liar) - making you also unfit for your duties as CM.
And, you didn't even test damage formulas for bite/autoattacks, which i provided. Otherwise you would be fixing it instead of argueing with me and sending video of full geared 710 hunter with BG buffs, doing exactly the same damage as 660hunter selfbuffed.
That was just an example!
So your pet should have 2198
But how do u explain mine has proper AP?
Tested on grommash? Send ss, you're either testing on diffrent server, or you're sending me spell power instead of attack power, because SP is currently exactly 60% of hunter's AP, but spellpower is irrelevant.
Okay, so, turns out pets are affected by buffs on themselves. Pet had 10% more AP from DKs horn of winter. So, pet's get 60% of hunter's AP, but both Hunter is affected by buffs, and pet.
Which is yet another bug.
Yes Netrakan! Alredy reported that!
As for this one i will let the Devs take a look at the formulas!
If isnt the formulas them it might be a stat overscaling... and if thats the case its proly afecting more classes!
Did further testing and i think i figured out whats wrong!
Its AP itself overscaling!
From a 40% AP buff pets started doing double damage
So i think thats the problem!
Alredy noticed a dev will see how its working and if thats the problem!
This report must be in "High Prio"..
Any update? this is very, VERY critical bug...
now it deals more than 20k with claw or similar spells (on Sombraluna)... VERY VERY VERY VERY CRITICAL BUG
It is not nerf, it's up......
dont even mention it..... I tryed to get it fixed and somehow them managed to UP it even more!
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Lol carrypotter kills healers in 3-4 sec and cries about bugs. Imao :D:D
Look we know theres a problem somewhere with the damage! But isnt related to the formulas from what we have seen!
So atm we are tryng to figure out where this is coming from and why is this hapening!
Do u guys thing all other classes are doing 100% damage as in retail? Theres issues everywhere! We just have to find them and fix them!
Last Fix made it worst even tho now the formulas are proper....
So if any one of u can pinpoint the origem of this damage plz share with us!
First off the video you linked from retail is irrelevant from more points of view... That hunter has 702 ilv, max in our server is 690... just saying
Yes Crissie we know! Problem is under investigation!
man do not fix the beast master! i leveling now for one shot any cloth in 3 second! *_*
https://gyazo.com/26e53f155b64aca8bd04cb8496ef75af Look at this shit.
Hi eveyone,
Good news, Kill command, claw, smack, bite has been review
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as you can see in these images the beast hunter habeis nerfed with the last changerlot , I am full 705 , there you can see the damage for each skill , talent adaptation to other Nor does the damage it says.
and these are damages
kill : I 5.6K critical
mele : 2,9k
bite : 2k
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot031416155-9540221.html
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot031416170-9540223.html
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot031416170-9540224.html
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot031416170-9540225.html
ye its nerfed to the ground..... will be fixed as soon as possible ( i hope)
6k killcommand = retail like........
even in pve wich is what i do mostly!
ppl keep complaining about damage... better just make everyone do 1 damage per atack... that will balance stuff
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they are nerfed but before this week their damage was so damn high, dont rollback please they were op..
BMs doing 200% dmg for whole year - it's fine
BM's doing 50% dmg for 5 hours - shitstorm begins. "fixed as soon as possible!" Lmao!
It's the end of Hunts-Storm.
Thanks
changerlot after the latter has bugged adaptation . paste exactly like the hunter with this talent than without it.
As you can see in the pictures does not give 70 % increased damage.
mele with adaptation: 4,8k
mele without adaptation: 4,4k
bite with adaptation: 2,5k
bite without adaptation : 2,1k
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot010316162-9540743.html
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot010316162-9540744.html
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot010316162-9540745.html
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot010316162-9540746.html
SV and MM are still op , chimera shot is still bug , stop crying
Retail»Firestorm stats
http://i.imgur.com/I4ifTJZ.png
Killcommand damage naked on retail »(crit) tested on raiders dummy
http://i.imgur.com/vEGMSXe.jpg
Killcommand damage 660ilvl Firestorm » tested on raiders dummy
http://i.imgur.com/geuUtMW.jpg
This was just for killcommand ... Claw and Bite damage diference coming soon
Firestorm stats
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot031516164-9540911.html
is not a master's but 30.70% 18.70%
No entiendo el lloriqueo de los cazas bestias si nadie usa esa rama en el ofi dado que las demas ramas son muchos mejores y aqui aun mas.
Well i dont know what you guys going to do with BM, but if you rollback and they have the same damage than 2 or 3 weeks ago.. so many people going to get pissed so take care... I'm tired of going to a BG and see that 8+/20 players are noobs hunters BM all using the same buged talents and same pets... if they get OP again i leave this for a time...
we found the problem alredy
armor was applyed twice!
fix to be aplyed soon!
( jcarlos93
[Hunter][All specs] Pet damage - critical...
March 15, 2016 16:48:28
Firestorm stats
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-wowscrnshot031516164-9540911.html
is not a master's but 30.70% 18.70%)
i was using mastery buff in both cases and crit(spirit beast blessing)
survival is still so fcking op, it needs 15-20% less damage!
At least say why and what is broken, show some proofs and make a new report... this report is for BM.
this report is for all specs... learn to read, and i dont know about sv, i just feel his damage, you use sv and you know its broken why dont u tell us whats broken? or you swear its just balanced? liar.
I'm sure you dont make pve with sv hunter, u would see his damage then... people talks and disagrees without making test, ah you are a hunter, now i understand...
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